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A member brought up an interesting question in the forums and I though would be interesting to bring this discussion up to the front page. Are we a dissolving race? With Anglos moving out of India at a rapid pace, will there be few or any left in India? Tell us your thoughts, we'd love to hear them!
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Mamba Samba.....
Written by monique on 2007-06-25 01:24:59
An AI is one is says SAMBA instead of SAMBAR as it is spelt and pronounced hahaha... | Written by edhaliburn on 2007-06-24 23:08:30
An Indian is Idli & Samba. An Englishman is bread and butter. An Anglo-Indian is Idli & Samba between two slices of bread and butter.
Eventually one or the other will be in short supply and the survivors will have to be content with one or the other.
ED H
| Written by amore mccarthy on 2007-06-16 18:42:14
YOU CAN TAKE THE INDIAN OUT OF INDIA BUT YOU CAN NEVER TAKE INDIA OUT OF THE INDIAN. AN ANGLO INDIAN WILL ALWAYS BE AN ANGLOINDIAN, AND THEYCANT CHANGE THAT.NO MATTER WHAT.IMMIGRATING TO ENGLAND OR OZ OR WHEREEVER DOES NOT CHANGE YOUR NATIONALITY. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE WHAT YOU WERE BORN TO BE. | Are we a dissolving race?
Written by anglobaby on 2007-05-30 18:45:47
Maybe, maybe not. My family migrated to the UK. However, even my cousins developed strong anglo accents - despite many of them being born here. Their togetherness at staying in a large Anglo family meant that they slept, ate and breathed Anglo-Indian. My mum still has her accent, as does her sister.How can you be dissolving when you are all gracing the world with you wonderful Anglo presence? You so don't need to be in India to be an Anglo Indian. Although I have mixed parentage (and have a distintive London accent),I am extremely proud of my Anglo-Indian history and definitely of my physical Anglo attributes. I'm British by birth, but EVERYONE asks me where I come from. | TY
Written by eddieq on 2007-05-25 08:05:56
Dear Charlotte
Thank You very much.
Regards
Eddie | Thank you!
Written by domestic engineer on 2007-05-25 06:42:35
Thank you Eddie for unifying the conversation towards a common discussion. I appreciate your intelligent and mature response.
You make valid points and have very respectable views.
Charlotte | You are being kind and gracious
Written by eddieq on 2007-05-25 05:17:36
Dear Monique
You are very kind and gracious
Thank You Very Much
Regards
Eddie | Excuse Me...
Written by monique on 2007-05-25 04:44:12
Excuse my grammar and spelling mistakes, this is how I get when I am tired. | Still resting from work.....
Written by monique on 2007-05-25 04:41:15
Hello Mr Eddie,
I read your views the subject of our discussion below and I wan't to say that I am inspired by your statement -
" I believe that because we will go around the world and come back to our roots bringing with us a wealth of new, good (and may be a few bad) effects of other cultures. This will add to our culture and make it stronger and more vibrant with in the country of its origin. "
Well I am not sure whether this will happen, but will be more than happy if it happend.
So this time I am agreeing on your statement and I am staying positive with you that we might not be a dissolving race but rather a rising one. Thanks for enlighting me.
Have a Good Weekend,
Love Monique. | Written by eddieq on 2007-05-25 02:27:16
Dear Charlotte,
The dictionary meaning of Race is "Any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc".
I will like to stick to the word race.
I agree with you that AI’s are moving out however I will like to add that a lot of us are moving back to our roots for more reasons then one.
India is a changing economy to start with, culturally, we as Indians are becoming more accepting of other cultures.
The acceptance of an AI today is much higher then in the years gone by; the acceptance has come because of the amalgamation of the Indian and AI culture a thing that was forbidden in the past on either side.
Will we be known as Citizens of the universe? We are all citizens of the Universe even today.We have no right to deny this tag to communities and races and nobody has the right to deny us the same.
I will like to think and believe that over the years when a lot of us (people like you and me and all of us who have written out here)have left are prints on the web of time the AI's will still be around with a much stronger culture.
I believe that because we will go around the world and come back to our roots bringing with us a wealth of new, good (and may be a few bad) effects of other cultures. This will add to our culture and make it stronger and more vibrant with in the country of its origin.
Regards
Eddie
| Clearing up my throat.........
Written by monique on 2007-05-24 12:27:24
Hello People,
I had a really long day at work and I am really tired, more over I kept coughing continuously today, I wonder why???? So I gotta rest myself before I get back to my normal.
Talk to you all Later.
Love Monique. | I Agree !
Written by Browneyedgirl on 2007-05-24 09:42:18
Everyone here have made very valid point's, But is'nt this happening with every Race or community ? Everything around us is changing and its only normal if people do. Life style's will change, BUT as long as we never forget what we are and where we are come from, is'nt that what matters ? | My Views!
Written by domestic engineer on 2007-05-24 07:08:04
"Are we a dissolving race?"
No, we are not a race at all. We are a collection of races and national beginnings with roots beginning in India. To be politically correct, we Anglo Indians are a “COMMUNITY” of “mixed races”. I do believe we are a society on the rise but a conglomeration of races. We are enriching and enhancing our society in the countries we now call home. Aren't we just following in the footsteps of our ancestors? They traveled around the world setting root and enhancing their race in many countries across the globe creating new societies. The question should read, “Are we a dissolving community?”.
“With Anglos moving out of India at a rapid pace, will there be few or any left in India?”
In India, yes definitely. Ever since India achieved Independence, Anglo Indians have been leaving India and will continue to dwindle over the years. There are a handful of AI’s that never want to leave India, who would rather stay put and raise their kids there. They are the extreme minority of AI’s that will remain in India but, for how long?
My views on experiences as kids in India, games and what really makes us a unique community:
What we learned as kids or the things we used to do as kids growing up, in India, has absolutely nothing to do with being an “Anglo Indian”. Of course our kids and their kids and so on are not going to experience the kind of life we had in our childhood. Kids growing up in another country, or in this day and age, will develop their own unique childhood experiences. Our childhood was totally different from our parents and grandparents. The way we dressed, the music we listened to, and even church was all very different in our childhood days compared to our parents and grandparents. And, it keeps changing. Occasionally, the pendulum swings back in time and music & fashion of the past become the latest fad!
Games we played as kids, believe it or not, are also played by generations in other countries. They are known by other names. Like Butch that is called Hop-Scotch here. P language…they call that Pig Latin here. All the childhood card games are played here. Names, Animals, Places, Things are called Scatogories I believe here. Snakes and Ladders are called Shoots and Ladders here. Even Charades kids have played for generations here. These are all not uniquely Anglo Indian games. They are played around the world with a different name for each one. It doesn’t have to be taught. My mother never came outside drew lines, picked the perfect rock and hopped around showing me how to play butch! Kids learn from other kids.
Ultimately, we need to remember what makes us AI’s unique. We are an English speaking Christian multi-race community. Our British bloodline makes us an “Anglo”. That heritage can never dissolve. The “I” in AI is the Indian bloodline that fosters our roots in India. And, that heritage can never dissolve. Some facts: In 1911, we were officially designated by the government of India as “The Anglo Indian Community”. Not a race! In the 19th century we were known as “Eurasians”. In the 20th century we were then known as “Anglo Indians”. So basically, in India and around the world we are NOT recognized as a race. Again to be politically correct, Anglo Indians are a community predominantly comprised of Eurasians! When I googled whether we are a race or not? I came across this: Anglo-Indians/Eurasians are the largest Hybrid community in Asia!
Eventually, will it really matter what race we are? Will we eventually evolve as one “The Human Race”? Will we be known as a “Citizen of the Universe”? Million dollar questions that none of us have the answers to.
This topic about our identity will always be an on-going debate for some. I don’t claim to be an expert on this topic. This is simply what I believe with one undeniable true fact that we are a community of mixed races and not “one race”.
Sites like the P.W. Anglo Indian site are helping us stay connected to the Anglo Indian community around the world.
Charlotte
| ' Change is Constant '
Written by monique on 2007-05-22 11:10:31
Hello Mr Eddie,
Please be assured I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with your analysis. All I meant to say was, nobody as of date would know how we AI'S would walk the surface of the earth in later year's / century.
So I partially agree with your analysis and partially believe in my analysis which is also based on pure ordinary reason.
So let us all just wait and watch and see the marvel of 'change' the only thing that is constant on earth.
I Hope you find my answer satisfactory to you.
Have a good day.
Monique. | AGREE TO DISAGREE?
Written by eddieq on 2007-05-22 07:17:46
Dear Monique,
Have you agreed to disagree or accepted my point of view because of sound rationale?
I am not to clear on the intent.
However, if it is the later, thank you, for accommodating my point of an analysis, which is based on pure ordinary reason.
Regards
Eddie | I rest my case........
Written by monique on 2007-05-21 13:24:49
Hello Mr Eddie,
With no further wasted breath I am gonna agree with all that you say.
Lo and behold ! It shalt be the way it is supposed to be.
Thank you very much,
Monique. | The World Is Flat
Written by eddieq on 2007-05-21 06:49:35
Dear Monique,
You have put up a solid case. However with the world going flat Culture and communities will adopt assorted and diverse cultures.
However those will only muscle the community not decline or dissolve it.
Case in point is the Church that has spread across the world over centuries and it has taken on certain cultures of that country.
What has happened? The Church has grown from strength to strength may be in wide-ranging groups but it is still the church.
Like wise the community may take on different cultures but it will still be a distinct culture by itself and will have its roots very firm.
Regards
Eddie | Anglo-Indians
Written by monique on 2007-05-19 07:32:53
Hello Mr Eddie,
With all due respect to you, I would like to comment that Anglo-Indians living in India or living abroad are definately a dissolving race and not a rising one.
Simply because :
1. We are blending in with the main stream(eg)An Anglo-Indian living in India no longer limits himself or herself to marrying only another Anglo-Indian but have change their perspective of limiting themselves to only their community and marry outside the community. Well it is good thing. But does this not make us a dissolving community in India, when we are blending with the culture, habits and dressing to live life more easy and comfortably.
Anglo-Indians abroad are sure dissolving, this goes without saying.
Simply because :
1. We are again blending with the mainstream people and learning and adapting to their culture and habits by marrying outside the community (eg).Even people married within the community no longer teach their children P and Z language but actually allow them to learn French and Spanish and Italian, well it is a necessity because that part of the world requires to know those languages and not P and Z language, hence we are losing our traditions and moving on with learning new culture and habits.
Very soon we would have all moved on from maintaining our AI traditions and adapted to more western or eastern traditions according to the country we want to live for the rest of our life.
So I would like to conclude that we are for sure a dissolving race.
Thank you very much.
Adios
Monique Stelle D'Cruze.
| Are we a Rising Race-----
Written by eddieq on 2007-05-09 06:56:22
I will beg to differ, we are not a dissolving race, we are a race on the rise.
We are on the rise in culture, status and independence.
Perhaps in the in last centaury the first two or three decades after independence we saw a lot of people flee the country; however the same does not hold good today.
Let us look at why people were “taking flight”
a) Culture, Traditions and customs, that was a bit different and not tolerable at that point in time to a typical Indian Society.
b) Education and Jobs, people got jobs easily in the days of old and so not enough emphasis was placed on education. So jobs were hard to come by in a society driven mainly by education.
Now let us take a look at the Anglo Indian in 2007 in contrast to 1967 or even 1977.
A) Most of the Generation who were born in the early 80’s or late 70’s our College or University students.
B) With the emergence of a new economy in India Cultures are merging and today an Anglo Indian Girl or An Anglo Indian boy is not very different( in dressing or habits that any youngster will desire at that age) to an Non Anglo Indian Boy Or Girl in India. Acceptability is high.
We are a race on the rise with out any support or reservation just by pure grit determination and introspection.
We are a race with a purpose; we are a race on the rise.
We belong to the New India and we are not leaving
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